so it's also the perceived threat from pakistan inside the obama administration receded, and so people move to yemen, and so after that 2011 time frame, which was really the sort of the nadir relationship of the u.s.-pakistan, the members of american undercover officers i think has gone down significantly. >> how many of the paramilitary groups spoke of earlier are in pakistan? how are they funded? how significant are they? >> the american -- >> no, the pakistan side. >> well, so if you, this is another subject of dispute. the pakistani government has, you know, denies that it does -- has any support, and i think there is legitimate concern while there was once support for these troops that were used as a force for india, have carried out attacks inside pakistan, and so whether it's the pakistani pal ban rather than the afghan taliban which is what is known, they carry out on pakistani soil so i think there is this fear among pakistani security officials that this monster's been created that has, to some degree, gone back on its creator and hurt and killed thousands and thousands of pa